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joshslater
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as comment above!
very honest decent seller! will deal with again, cheers mate
very honest decent seller! will deal with again, cheers mate
To give you a summary, this is bad feedback review for 7Readie7 (Josh).
I will write as many details as possible.
I bought from 7Readie7 a gearbox around 26 of April. You can find the topic of the sale here.
In the private messages we exchanged he advertised it this way:
I live in Athens, Greece, so I tried to be as careful as possible with this buy.
I sent a mate to check it, who lives in the same town (Norwich). Mainly, to see if it has the LSD and that it exists in reality and not only in pictures as no other testing could be done as the gearbox was not installed to a car.
I prefered to buy this from UK instead of a similar box from Greece because these are rare here. Whatever I found either had a lot of miles or it was too expensive. The good reputation and the comments in the ad did the trick for me... (unfortuantely).
My mate paid Josh in cash and left with it.
At those meetings Josh reported that he "could not find" the receipts for the gearbox rebuild, so I have no proof that J. Daines was indeed the one who repaired it, or exactly what had been done to it. I am not saying that he wasn't, just that I never received proof of it.
I received the gearbox mid June as my mate was away from Norwich for Easter break and posted it late. Other car trouble I had in the summer also postponed the installation. I finally got to it late October.
I go to a trusted Honda specialist in Athens. All Greek members here know him well. Actually any visit to him ends up as a mini meeting. So there are other honda enthusiasts who were present to this incident.
I told him the story that far and decided to install it without reopening it first to check as I could do without the extra cost. The fact that Josh always reported that the box had been working in his car after the repair indicated to us that most assembly mistakes would have appeared already... (wrong again)
Mechanic only filled it with new Honda MTF, reinstalled the outside brackets and sensors and bolted it on. Test with the car stationary showed all gears could be chosen correctly and the mechanic took the car for a test drive.
Everything seemed ok until my mechanic returned from the test drive. We immediately noticed a big oil leak underneath the car:
We saw a crack in the outer shell and a part of it fell off:
From that hole a distorted bolt came out:
We had to uninstall the box and open it. The bolt was missing from the mechanism that chooses the gears:
Three of the other four bolts were also looser than spec. This cannot happen with transport. Bolts do not just loosen. If this was a possibility they would loosen at the regular use of the gearbox where there is much more vibration.
The storyline is that first the bolt got loose, went through the gears and when stuck between the gear of the LSD and the outer shell the latter cracked. Not the other way round.
From the 5 bolts only the green one was bolted tight. The one the finger points to is the one that did the damage.
This actually is worse than leaving them all loose. If this was the case, the whole shifting mechanism would tilt and no gear can be selected, so driver understands something is wrong. The one that was tight was holding it and this symptom never appeared.
Again, this cannot happen with transport. Maybe the loose bolt got further out of its' position, but this would happen anyway after a few kilometers of regular use.
This is a major assembly error.
We proceeded to the repair of the gearbox.
These are the marks of the bolts course through the gearbox (arrows show again the bolts I wrote about already):
As we had to open it up, I can also tell you the remarks from my mechanic about the "rebuild". Maybe it had been open to do some repair. But no full rebuild was done. Some bearings (two of the axle and big ones of the LSD) seem that they were left unchanged and there are signs of wear to them than can only happen by 100k miles or more. They are not trash as they are Honda, but still one must define what "full rebuild" is a lot better.
I bought an s80 outer shell and my mechanic did his "magic":
Fortunately Honda gears are tough and no significant marks were visible.
Of course all bearings were full of metallic particles.
The mechanic meticulously bathed them and cleaned them. This dust, like glitter came out:
Then there was the work of putting everything together and measuring tolerances with the other shell. 4 seperate fittings had to be done so that everything was checked: LSD alone, each axle seperately and the final assembly:
Finally the box worked, but there is a slight whining noise. Probably it is the bearings.
I informed Josh about all of this two weeks ago, on the day it happened. We have been exchanging PMs ever since. He sticks to his story about the rebuild to Jack Daines and all. I received some apologetic words like these:
BUT... ...he would never give a straight answer if he would do anything to compensate me for all the trouble.
My proposition was to return to me part of the money I paid (215 gbp) so that I could pay the mechaninc for the extra work and the outer shell I had to replace. I also know this is a very low price to pay as it would cost a lot more if it had to be done in a UK specialist. This will not compensate for the fact that the box is not "fully rebuilt" or that it is hurt from all the metal debris, but I tried to be diplomatic and give an easy solution to end this incident quickly without going public and making a fuss. I was very patient for two full weeks...
I even asked for another proposition from him 5 and 4 days ago, without reply. Actually he stopped communication since last friday.
He knows I would make all this public at this time.
I have no other option. I don't know what he expects from me? To pay for all the damage and remain passive?
People beware. He will not support any product he is selling.
I will write as many details as possible.
I bought from 7Readie7 a gearbox around 26 of April. You can find the topic of the sale here.
In the private messages we exchanged he advertised it this way:
I live in Athens, Greece, so I tried to be as careful as possible with this buy.
I sent a mate to check it, who lives in the same town (Norwich). Mainly, to see if it has the LSD and that it exists in reality and not only in pictures as no other testing could be done as the gearbox was not installed to a car.
I prefered to buy this from UK instead of a similar box from Greece because these are rare here. Whatever I found either had a lot of miles or it was too expensive. The good reputation and the comments in the ad did the trick for me... (unfortuantely).
My mate paid Josh in cash and left with it.
At those meetings Josh reported that he "could not find" the receipts for the gearbox rebuild, so I have no proof that J. Daines was indeed the one who repaired it, or exactly what had been done to it. I am not saying that he wasn't, just that I never received proof of it.
I received the gearbox mid June as my mate was away from Norwich for Easter break and posted it late. Other car trouble I had in the summer also postponed the installation. I finally got to it late October.
I go to a trusted Honda specialist in Athens. All Greek members here know him well. Actually any visit to him ends up as a mini meeting. So there are other honda enthusiasts who were present to this incident.
I told him the story that far and decided to install it without reopening it first to check as I could do without the extra cost. The fact that Josh always reported that the box had been working in his car after the repair indicated to us that most assembly mistakes would have appeared already... (wrong again)
Mechanic only filled it with new Honda MTF, reinstalled the outside brackets and sensors and bolted it on. Test with the car stationary showed all gears could be chosen correctly and the mechanic took the car for a test drive.
Everything seemed ok until my mechanic returned from the test drive. We immediately noticed a big oil leak underneath the car:
We saw a crack in the outer shell and a part of it fell off:
From that hole a distorted bolt came out:
We had to uninstall the box and open it. The bolt was missing from the mechanism that chooses the gears:
Three of the other four bolts were also looser than spec. This cannot happen with transport. Bolts do not just loosen. If this was a possibility they would loosen at the regular use of the gearbox where there is much more vibration.
The storyline is that first the bolt got loose, went through the gears and when stuck between the gear of the LSD and the outer shell the latter cracked. Not the other way round.
From the 5 bolts only the green one was bolted tight. The one the finger points to is the one that did the damage.
This actually is worse than leaving them all loose. If this was the case, the whole shifting mechanism would tilt and no gear can be selected, so driver understands something is wrong. The one that was tight was holding it and this symptom never appeared.
Again, this cannot happen with transport. Maybe the loose bolt got further out of its' position, but this would happen anyway after a few kilometers of regular use.
This is a major assembly error.
We proceeded to the repair of the gearbox.
These are the marks of the bolts course through the gearbox (arrows show again the bolts I wrote about already):
As we had to open it up, I can also tell you the remarks from my mechanic about the "rebuild". Maybe it had been open to do some repair. But no full rebuild was done. Some bearings (two of the axle and big ones of the LSD) seem that they were left unchanged and there are signs of wear to them than can only happen by 100k miles or more. They are not trash as they are Honda, but still one must define what "full rebuild" is a lot better.
I bought an s80 outer shell and my mechanic did his "magic":
Fortunately Honda gears are tough and no significant marks were visible.
Of course all bearings were full of metallic particles.
The mechanic meticulously bathed them and cleaned them. This dust, like glitter came out:
Then there was the work of putting everything together and measuring tolerances with the other shell. 4 seperate fittings had to be done so that everything was checked: LSD alone, each axle seperately and the final assembly:
Finally the box worked, but there is a slight whining noise. Probably it is the bearings.
I informed Josh about all of this two weeks ago, on the day it happened. We have been exchanging PMs ever since. He sticks to his story about the rebuild to Jack Daines and all. I received some apologetic words like these:
(all PMs can be reviewed by the administrators if you have any doubts).
BUT... ...he would never give a straight answer if he would do anything to compensate me for all the trouble.
My proposition was to return to me part of the money I paid (215 gbp) so that I could pay the mechaninc for the extra work and the outer shell I had to replace. I also know this is a very low price to pay as it would cost a lot more if it had to be done in a UK specialist. This will not compensate for the fact that the box is not "fully rebuilt" or that it is hurt from all the metal debris, but I tried to be diplomatic and give an easy solution to end this incident quickly without going public and making a fuss. I was very patient for two full weeks...
I even asked for another proposition from him 5 and 4 days ago, without reply. Actually he stopped communication since last friday.
He knows I would make all this public at this time.
I have no other option. I don't know what he expects from me? To pay for all the damage and remain passive?
People beware. He will not support any product he is selling.
saxophonias
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This is very sad. I can't imagine any other way things might have happened besides the one you describe. I hope you sort it out somehow, bearing in mind that you propose a fair deal.After all maybe we should have seconds thoughts, we people, who purchase things from abroad, and I think we are too many on this board. On the other hand I have faith that the power of this forum will sort this out in a decent way. Good luck with it.
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In my defence I would like got get this straight. I did have the receipt for the gearbox like I say, I have about 3 folders of receipts and I said it would be in there somewhere, which it was, but by this point he had already said he wanted the box and it had gone, and I will let anyone on this forum come down and meet me and I will personally take them to J. daines so you can hear from yourself I had it done, you have had this gearbox 7 months, no messaging, in my eyes everything all fine! How do I know what's happened or how it's been dealt with?
All my feedbacks to date bar yours are good, why would I sell something like this to have this sort of troubles. It isn't worth my hassle. It was in perfect working order when taken out, you can't go barking around 7 months later!
It could be anything, could be freak but it certainly wasn't shipped over like that. Your mate checked it over for about an hour went away and even came back for a take two!
In all my time on the forum I have never had a bad word against me, I look at yours and your a newbie, with about 12 off posts. How do we know what's been done in the past 7 months of your ownership. I'm not gonna sit here and keyboard warrior, I do see your annoyance and point of view, but I can assure you I have better things to do than sell a 'bad working' item.
All my feedbacks to date bar yours are good, why would I sell something like this to have this sort of troubles. It isn't worth my hassle. It was in perfect working order when taken out, you can't go barking around 7 months later!
It could be anything, could be freak but it certainly wasn't shipped over like that. Your mate checked it over for about an hour went away and even came back for a take two!
In all my time on the forum I have never had a bad word against me, I look at yours and your a newbie, with about 12 off posts. How do we know what's been done in the past 7 months of your ownership. I'm not gonna sit here and keyboard warrior, I do see your annoyance and point of view, but I can assure you I have better things to do than sell a 'bad working' item.
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Well, there you go. Read the response and draw your own conclusions...
As far as the "accusations":
I am not denying I joined the forum in order to find a gearbox from the ads. But I am a very old member in the two largest Greek Honda forums and members there know my car. Many of them are old members here as well and they can back up my story.
You can try as much as you want to reproduce this damage by "handling" of the box or racing it, but it isn't possible (never mind that my car's engine is completely stock, just see the exhaust).
As far as the "accusations":
I am not denying I joined the forum in order to find a gearbox from the ads. But I am a very old member in the two largest Greek Honda forums and members there know my car. Many of them are old members here as well and they can back up my story.
You can try as much as you want to reproduce this damage by "handling" of the box or racing it, but it isn't possible (never mind that my car's engine is completely stock, just see the exhaust).
saxophonias
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yes but if i get it right the loosened bolt made the box crack from the inside, which indicates bad assembling in the first place. How can this be explained? If this is the case the person who checked it before getting it couldn't have noticed anything strange right?
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Tbh after 7 months i don't think you have a strong case. Whats to say its not been damaged any other way ect. I am confused on how josh and previous owner had the box working fine and now its been sent abroad and this has happened. I am sure this is not the first time this has happened when sending things abroad.
I can't comment on this situation as i don't know facts, however i have dealt with josh a few times in the past, and not once have i got a sense that he is out to con people. He is a pretty decent guy. I just cant see after 7 months why this has just become a issue. I can understand a week but not 7 months.
I hope this gets sorted in the correct manor and no one ends up get banned.
Sorry to hear this guys
I can't comment on this situation as i don't know facts, however i have dealt with josh a few times in the past, and not once have i got a sense that he is out to con people. He is a pretty decent guy. I just cant see after 7 months why this has just become a issue. I can understand a week but not 7 months.
I hope this gets sorted in the correct manor and no one ends up get banned.
Sorry to hear this guys
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Just something I was thinking....
Maranx you sound like a very thorough and meticulous guy I I find myself asking if you would have split the box to check it as its only a 30 min job. Did you or your mechanic forget to tighten the bolts?
Josh himself is a really decent guy and wouldn't knowingly sell a bad item. Maybe it was just fate/luck it didn't break on him.
I have had problems in the past with things I have sold in good faith and normally just refund some money as a gesture or get item returned for full refund.
Sorry Maranx but with you only having 15 posts it makes it hard to know who to trust.
All the best to you both, Dunx
Maranx you sound like a very thorough and meticulous guy I I find myself asking if you would have split the box to check it as its only a 30 min job. Did you or your mechanic forget to tighten the bolts?
Josh himself is a really decent guy and wouldn't knowingly sell a bad item. Maybe it was just fate/luck it didn't break on him.
I have had problems in the past with things I have sold in good faith and normally just refund some money as a gesture or get item returned for full refund.
Sorry Maranx but with you only having 15 posts it makes it hard to know who to trust.
All the best to you both, Dunx
Please go ahead and ask a mechanic about the nature of this damage. I included detailed photos of the location of the loose bolts. He can tell you if this can happen any other way and if it is possible to see it in any inspection.
I only report the comments from my mechanic.
Josh said in his PMs he would talk to the guy who did the repair. I am still waiting for that.
Let me get something clear. I cannot proove Josh knew about this or about what jobs were done during the "full rebuid". To be frank I find it quite probable that he did not. Anyway I do not care about it (although I should) and I am not arguing about it. All I do care is that he did not try at all to support the product he sold.
I will give you an example. Let's say you do a rebuild to your engine and the guy fixing it does a half decent job at balancing the crankshaft. It will work ok for the first 30-40k miles. If you sell it after a year, advertising it as "recently rebuilt" and it breaks down to the guy who buys it, is it fair for the buyer to pay for the damage? Should he have broken it down to pieces to check each component or trust what the seller was saying?
I only report the comments from my mechanic.
Josh said in his PMs he would talk to the guy who did the repair. I am still waiting for that.
Let me get something clear. I cannot proove Josh knew about this or about what jobs were done during the "full rebuid". To be frank I find it quite probable that he did not. Anyway I do not care about it (although I should) and I am not arguing about it. All I do care is that he did not try at all to support the product he sold.
I will give you an example. Let's say you do a rebuild to your engine and the guy fixing it does a half decent job at balancing the crankshaft. It will work ok for the first 30-40k miles. If you sell it after a year, advertising it as "recently rebuilt" and it breaks down to the guy who buys it, is it fair for the buyer to pay for the damage? Should he have broken it down to pieces to check each component or trust what the seller was saying?
Dunx, I was just looking for a response like you are describing for two full weeks, even negotiating a solution.
As far as what you are saying about splitting the box:
1. Other honda members were present so they saw this was not the case. I regret for not doing so. But I trusted what Josh advertised. I did not know at that time it was an easy job. Most of my knowledge comes from being present in the repair.
2. I urge you to think. Even if someone splits a box. Mechanic has no reason to undo these bolts. Maybe check they are tight. But no reason to undo them unless he wants to replace a part.
Josh, the easiest thing to do is to find that receipt (you say you have it, but it never showed up), scan it, send it over to maranx via pm or post it here in public and prove firstly that the box was indeed rebuilt. That was never proven, it was just words from you and I don't say you 're lying, don't let me be misunderstood..
Furthermore, you should care more about the problem Maranx had and not just say that the time has passed and now you don't have any responsibility about the box. I can confirm that the box was laying down to a floor for the last months and was never used by maranx. As I see it, you should let the "long time" excuses away and find a way to sort things out. You may have a good reputation, but that 's a thing that is being proven in every single transaction.
Maranx is a well known member in Honda forums and has never created any problems. His post was never ment to have any other purpose from letting the people of ek9.org forum know and solve his problem. That's why he made a detailed despription and chose his words carefully.
Sincerely,
tony_l
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Vti and Dunx many thanks for your replies. You both know I am very genuine and most certainly not out to con people I have dealt with a lot of people, buying and selling, I and love the honda scene so much, why would I be out to do this, knowing it's going to cause problems and make me look bad!? It's just not in my nature. Like one of these two mentioned it could have been fate/bad luck and I am also gutted this has happened. But I mean 7 months down the line, how am I to know it hasn't been used/tampered ect, I am not! If I knew this would happen. I wouldn't have even given the box away. I am fair but I feel, it's gone too long to be able to prove what's gone on in the last 7 months!