Rambo's EK9


Defo man. Good increase in power and torque all across the rev range compared to standard ecu
 
arite bud . after just coming off the phone to you and seeing this . that exhaust needs sorted asap like . i will get onto things tommorow and see if we can get you sorted out then get that thing in for a map
 
the numbers arent tragic mate - hondas run rich at top end on stock ecus so prob thats the fuelling issue taken care of. Agree the exhaust is maybe restricting at top end but hard to say without seeing the rest of the routing...... might be worth checking leads, icm and dizzy coil though in case your not burning the fuel efficiently as well though

look on the bright side, it only made 50 brake less than mines on the same rollers :p

just kidding!
 
Once you sort the exhaust and fuelling you should pick up a nice amount of power. Mine put down 175bhp and 120ft lb torque with just decat and J's racing intake everything else was stock on a standard ecu. After I tuned it I picked up torque right across the rev range and ended up with 185.1bhp and 123.8ft lb torque and my fuelling wasn't no where near as rich as yours is on stock ecu
http://www.ek9.org/forum/other-technical/25207-hour-dyno-today.html
 
Did Billy do that exhaust?

Why didnt you go for it under the axle?
 
Mozeee said:
You have some problems, couse one guy in Lithuania made 190bhp from his b16b engine with js racing intake and custom 2.5" exhaust system and ecu chip. Without chip car made 185bhp. Futhermore I've made 174bhp with my b16a motor + b16a2 intake mani, custom exhaust system and j's racing intake.
Does your car use much oil or sth?
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Nah my engine doesnt use any oil at all, it is well looked after, regularly serviced and no smoke from exhaust, etc! thanks

mld22 said:
Hi, not the best news for you there :( If your car is running rich i'm pretty sure thats cause there is too much fuel and not enough air getting to the engine. Have you ever changed the lambda sensor on the car? That could be the problem there. But thats only the obvious answer. It could be a number of things i supose.
Not really much of a mechanically minded guy myself but if you service it regularly i wouldn't know how its not getting a better bhp than that

Best of luck sorting it out tho :nice:
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Hey mate thanks for the info, I have never changed the lamda sensor so I am going to do that and see what happens along with changing my exhaust aswell! thanks :)

Barryl85 said:
These engines shouldnt lose power due to age - i dont know who started this rumour but honda engines just do not lose power easily - even after many many years!

I would buy a proper under axle exhaust and try that to be honest or buy a normal exhaust sytem - i have to say when i seen your exhaust from under your car in pictures i sort of said to myself surely that must be restricting it.

Woudlnt worry too much but defo change that exhaust !
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I know I have read alot about it, has to be alot of pish! lol

Yea I think I had a brain dead moment when I got my exhaust like that! lol :( I am just going to buy myself a spoon backbox and get that attached to my 2.5" mid section as it is a copy of the spoon mid section anyway and that should be way better! thanks!:)

eternal blue 2000 said:
you cant compare cars ran on different dyno`s friend,esp in another country!
they are only a guide.

seems you are losing a bit off power anyway,i made 185/123 on those same rollers when i got my b16a2 build(oversize ek9 pistons etc etc) mapped with henry.
over two years since i had mine on rollers so be interesting to see what it makes at the w end on local rollers :nerv:

id say change the exhaust and get henry to test it again,he is a helpfull guy and should help you out.

goodluck
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Your b16a2 made good power mate, yea hopefully once my exhaust is sorted, changed the stem seals and lamda sensor i will take it back to henry and hopefully its better! yea Henry was very helpful and knows his ****!!! :)

Gav-EK9 said:
yeah that exhaust aint doing flow any favours thats a mad twist man !
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I know I know its no good Gav like! :( lol gona get a spoon back box to replace the apexi backbox and twisty part and should be all good! :)

excaliburcombo said:
Not bad but IMO its will cause more carbon because over fuel..my standard ek4 b16a make 152.3whp and 104.7 lb ft.....agreed with barryl85 you might need another good exhaust....
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Yea defo going to go for another exhaust and hopefully thats it sorted! cheers :)

dean85 said:
gerry at performance tek make that exhaust ?? or Faz at funky power, im sure 1 of them popped this exhaust up on civic life, That routing is frikking awful bud, change the exhaust for starter's, you got stock panel filter in the box ??, possibly change for a aem v2, with out mapping the ecu it might still run rich on fuel, i know 9's seem to run rich from stock.
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Faz at Funky Power done, well his welder Andy done it. it is my fault the way it is done as that what I asked for, I wanted the backbox at an angle so like said defo gona get a spoon backbox and that should be it ok! :) I am happy with the B18 airbox and I know it does well! :) I am not a fan of aftermarket airboxes now!

Gav-EK9 said:
I smell a new exhaust, hondata and a good henry map :naughty:
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oh christ aye mate, new spoon backbox and a henry map on crome! :D

dean85 said:
sounds spot on Gav, didnt want my post to be so direct lol
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lol ! :D

rvm said:
I think you have a healthy B16B.

Can you post more photos of the exhaust? I think that twist is not helping your at all.
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Thanks man, the engine is healthy I think the exhaust backbox is holding it back so gona change to a spoon back box, change my stem seals and lamda sensor and take it back and see what happens! :)

i will get more pics. :)

Championship White said:
Why is the exhaust like that?
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Barrys answer is spot on! :) I went brain dead I think! lol

haitch said:
Sounds healthy enough to me, comparing it to the SRR results we had. Exhaust needs sorting but doubt you will gain much. As said cant compare to dynos in Lithuania, they sound high anyway.
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thanks man, Henry said engine is healthy just a couple of minor issues around the engine like exhaust and sensors maybe. I will get them changed and hopefull its all good! :)

Barryl85 said:
I think its so it has the look of an under axle exhaust without it being so low and scraping off the ground !
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Spot on!

689R said:
Henrys dyno is accurate. Get a p28 and get him to map it, that will sort the fueling and your car will be faster.
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Defo gona do this mate once I have a new backbox and seals, etc are changed! :) Henry was very helpfull and have heard good stories about his mapping! :dance:

rvm said:
Adding up some information, dyno numbers vary from country to country, in my country the dyno is located at 5000 ft above sea level, so they read low. (less oxygen blablabla)

My fully standard ek9 dynoed 137 whp and 97 lb/ft of torque.

Post some photos of your exhaust, maybe you can re design it and make it have a better flow.
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I think I will just get the twisty section and backbox taken off and replace it with a spoon backbox and should be better! :)

689R said:
Got it mapped at henrys last week made 208.6bhp and 145lbs ft dude
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Thats good numbers mate, well done! :D


J700OCK said:
arite bud . after just coming off the phone to you and seeing this . that exhaust needs sorted asap like . i will get onto things tommorow and see if we can get you sorted out then get that thing in for a map
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Cheers man, yea hope you can help me out with a few things, give me a bell! cheers :)

pimpinblackcivic said:
the numbers arent tragic mate - hondas run rich at top end on stock ecus so prob thats the fuelling issue taken care of. Agree the exhaust is maybe restricting at top end but hard to say without seeing the rest of the routing...... might be worth checking leads, icm and dizzy coil though in case your not burning the fuel efficiently as well though

look on the bright side, it only made 50 brake less than mines on the same rollers :p

just kidding!
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nice one cheers for the info man, I will get it all checked out! :) the rest of the routing on the exhaust is straight thourgh 2.5"!

hopefully way better with a new backbox on!

Vtec6000 said:
Once you sort the exhaust and fuelling you should pick up a nice amount of power. Mine put down 175bhp and 120ft lb torque with just decat and J's racing intake everything else was stock on a standard ecu. After I tuned it I picked up torque right across the rev range and ended up with 185.1bhp and 123.8ft lb torque and my fuelling wasn't no where near as rich as yours is on stock ecu
http://www.ek9.org/forum/other-technical/25207-hour-dyno-today.html
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Nice one thanks mate, yours made good numbers well done! :) yea hopefully a new backbox and leads, etc will fix it. hopefully take it back in a coupld of weeks and get it back on the rollers! :)

Dunsy said:
Did Billy do that exhaust?

Why didnt you go for it under the axle?
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Nah Faz at funky power done it. I asked for it to go under the axle but he said there would be big clearance issues?! :(

689R said:
:naughty: our lowly VTi's got da powaz.
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lol!
 
CAL said:
b18 it
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haha the thought has crossed my mind Cal! lol the spoon stroker kit is on sale again so its a good idea! I will wait and see once my exhaust is sorted, etc and once its been on the dyno again and take it from there!:nice:
 
Cheaper putting a B18C in than stroking as you can then sell your b16b
 
Get that to Billy at CAS, didnt think it looked like billys work to be honest, nothing on Faz but hes new at the exhaust game, billys been doing it for years and his work is second to none, my exhaust was under axle and it never hit off anything or restricted the car
 
yeah gota say i got dunsys car now, had it up on ramps other week n gota say the exhaust design and welding is mint , and thats my job lol accepting / rejecting weds on fabricatd pipes so i can tell this Billy is dam good so defo go to him!
 
I don't think tuning the ECU will instantly give it another 10-15hp. you're running quite rich but it shouldn't be that big of a jump when the fuel is tuned properly.

is your timing properly set? besides that, I'm thinking about the exhaust too. :)
 
Chicas said:
I don't think tuning the ECU will instantly give it another 10-15hp. you're running quite rich but it shouldn't be that big of a jump when the fuel is tuned properly.

is your timing properly set? besides that, I'm thinking about the exhaust too. :)
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Wht not?

My car made 12bhp more peak, and even more midrange from a tune.
 
Dunsy said:
Get that to Billy at CAS, didnt think it looked like billys work to be honest, nothing on Faz but hes new at the exhaust game, billys been doing it for years and his work is second to none, my exhaust was under axle and it never hit off anything or restricted the car
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Dont worry I plan to mate, I should have went to him in the first place! I will give him a call next week! :nice:

godfridge said:
yeah gota say i got dunsys car now, had it up on ramps other week n gota say the exhaust design and welding is mint , and thats my job lol accepting / rejecting weds on fabricatd pipes so i can tell this Billy is dam good so defo go to him!
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Perfect cheers for the info, I will defo take it to Billy and get him to sort the exhaust! :nice:

Chicas said:
I don't think tuning the ECU will instantly give it another 10-15hp. you're running quite rich but it shouldn't be that big of a jump when the fuel is tuned properly.

is your timing properly set? besides that, I'm thinking about the exhaust too. :)
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I'm not expecting miracle numbers from a tune, just to have it running perfect and good midrange power and hopefully more economical!:nice:

I'm sure my timing is fine, I have never had it checked tho, how would I do that?

689R said:
Wht not?

My car made 12bhp more peak, and even more midrange from a tune.
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I would be more than happy with 12bhp but like you and Henry have said its midrange power that you want and vtec coming in that bit earlier! :nice:
 
Right lads am getting this **** sorted tomorrow! :) I have booked a trip to see Billy at CAS like Dunsy said and they are gona get my exhaust all minty fresh and flowing like a beast!! :)

Then I have struck a great deal with Henry to get new valve stem seals fitted, new lamda sensor, new timing belt, tensioner and water pump fitted and a P28 ecu with adaptor mapped on Chrome! :) should be good after that! :)

I just got myself new NGK blue leads, new NGK plugs, hamp filter and millers 5w30 oil so I will get that all sorted this weekend and I am getting a hole cut on my front bumper with a cold air feed moulded to it so my teg airbox can get shed loads of air piling into it!! :) hopefully the ponies will be back after all this and I can start rallying it aboot again and enjoying the 4.9 FD!
 
689R said:
Wht not?

My car made 12bhp more peak, and even more midrange from a tune.
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because he is not that far from being on ok AFR-wise.

ramboteamjon said:
I'm not expecting miracle numbers from a tune, just to have it running perfect and good midrange power and hopefully more economical!:nice:

I'm sure my timing is fine, I have never had it checked tho, how would I do that?
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with a timing light you should be able to check it. try to check it or have it checked. sometimes, an off base timing will produce low power. goodluck
 
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