VERY Hard to get into gears whilst driving-what problem am i having?


on_jai

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Hi all,

I recently started having problems with putting into gear. Symptoms are as follows;

In Neutral, i can put into all gears without any effort.

When driving under normal conditions and at cold starts: getting into 2nd gear takes a little effort, as it seems very "stiff and hard" to get into gear, likewise with 3rd and 4th and 5th gear. Hand hurts from pushing/pulling into gear after a while!

When engine is hot and/or driving harder and engaging VTEC: cannot put into gear immediately, and whilst trying, the gearing crunches-to prevent this, i have to keep my foot down on the clutch for at least 2-4 seconds before i can place into gear-and as before, with alot of effort.

I just changed the Slave Cylinder and bled the system 3 days ago, thinking that it was perhaps that was failing, though i didn't notice any leaking as such. But since changing it, it still feels nothing has improved.

2 months ago i had topped up the transmission oil BUT it's never had a full transmission oil change (now approaching 169,000 miles) and in saying this, i've ordered Honda MTF ready for a full change.

Brand new Exedy clutch was changed over a year ago and it doesn't feel like a worn/dying clutch as i experienced this prior to changing the new clutch.

I'm running a BuddyClub short shifter, and checked the shifter as well as the gear linkages as such, but all seems fine.

:please:..........Has anyone experienced this type of problem, and can advise me of what possibilities this problem may be? Any comments and suggestions would be deeply appreciated as always from this close-knit forum members!

Many thanks in advance!:thanks:
 
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i would suggest changing the oil if its never been changed then let us know how you get on
 
Could be the throwout bearing, and/or the syncros going out.
 
Could be the throwout bearing, and/or the syncros going out.

Thanks for your reply-how does one know that the Syncros are going out? i hear of this, but never understand exactly how does one find out?
 
i would try changing the oil and if its still the same its the syncros you wil have to split your gear box to see if they ar worn
 
Thanks for your reply-how does one know that the Syncros are going out? i hear of this, but never understand exactly how does one find out?

One indicator of a syncro going bad/worn would be it being hard to get into gear from one gear up to another. If it is indeed the syncos that are bad, get them replaced or risk gears being worn down, metal shavings in your gear oil is never a good thing.
 
Even under normal driving conditions, we recommend changing the transmission fluid every second engine oil change.

The service bulletin definitely says otherwise - IIRC, something like every 20k miles or kilometers or at least once or twice a year depending on your mileage.

If you've gone 169,000 miles without a proper change.... uh, it's likely that whatever fluid is in there is totally broken down and offers the same level of protection as WATER in your transmission.
 
Even under normal driving conditions, we recommend changing the transmission fluid every second engine oil change.

The service bulletin definitely says otherwise - IIRC, something like every 20k miles or kilometers or at least once or twice a year depending on your mileage.

If you've gone 169,000 miles without a proper change.... uh, it's likely that whatever fluid is in there is totally broken down and offers the same level of protection as WATER in your transmission.

...thank you.
 
Thanks for all the info guys, as said before the MTF is on its way, hopefully reach me this friday, so will do the service this saturday, and shall report of changes/updates accordingly. Thanks again!:thanks:
 
If the fluid in the clutch master cylinder has not been replaced/bled in a long time. Make sure you do that as well.

The fluid used is just brake fluid.
 
Im getting th same problem but with all of my gears...changing the transmission fluid didnt make a difference either. However, i kno wthe throw out bearing was giving me some high pitched squeeling sound and now the noise is gone all together, so im waiting on a new clutch set to get here so that when i pull down i will check gearbox internals as well.
 
Im getting th same problem but with all of my gears...changing the transmission fluid didnt make a difference either. However, i kno wthe throw out bearing was giving me some high pitched squeeling sound and now the noise is gone all together, so im waiting on a new clutch set to get here so that when i pull down i will check gearbox internals as well.

hi, thanks for the info...i've just changed the transmission oil last nite, took it out for a smooth drive, and didnt notice much difference

I've been advised to check at the RELEASE BEARING, but on saying that, it's funny cos i've heard something similar noise that you mentioned.

Please keep me up to date with reagrds to your side, as i'm going to have the release bearing part ordered and changed-see if this helps.
 
Hi all,

I've managed to change the Transmission Fluid yesterday-having emptied the existing 2 litres of MTD from gearbox, the condition of the fluid was pretty clear and same as the new MTF that i put in.

Drove the car again this morning to work(here in London we haven't been hit with the snow...yet) and felt only a SLIGHT small difference in regards to shifting-it's improved only marginally yet still hard to get into gear.

And yes, it still crunches slightly in VTEC unless i leave the foot down on the clutch for another 2-3 seconds before i put into gear.

Will order the Release Bearing now and see if this seems to be the problem once i've replaced this-will keep everyone posted
 
i expect your friction disc springs have started to go walkabout..
 
Hi all,

I've managed to change the Transmission Fluid yesterday-having emptied the existing 2 litres of MTD from gearbox, the condition of the fluid was pretty clear and same as the new MTF that i put in.

Drove the car again this morning to work(here in London we haven't been hit with the snow...yet) and felt only a SLIGHT small difference in regards to shifting-it's improved only marginally yet still hard to get into gear.

And yes, it still crunches slightly in VTEC unless i leave the foot down on the clutch for another 2-3 seconds before i put into gear.

Will order the Release Bearing now and see if this seems to be the problem once i've replaced this-will keep everyone posted

Replace your entire clutch, not just your release/throwout bearing. I wish you luck with it only the bearing...transmission rebuild other-wise. Do your best not to grind gears until you get this sorted out.
 
Replace your entire clutch, not just your release/throwout bearing. I wish you luck with it only the bearing...transmission rebuild other-wise. Do your best not to grind gears until you get this sorted out.

hi there,

thanks for the advice-i've been considering this also as it makes more sense, though it really makes me wonder whether or not it was the clutch since it was replaced just over a year ago....
 
id say try the clutch first..my gears went the same way beforer then pressure plate fell apart..new clutch an she was back on the road again
 
I found this site and found it was very useful in terms of diagnosing-hope this can help others.



CLUTCH TROUBLESHOOTING
An automotive clutch normally provides depend-able service for thousands of miles. However, stop and go traffic will wear out a clutch quicker than highway driving. Everytime a clutch is engaged, the clutch disc and other components are subjected to considerable heat, friction, and wear.

Operator abuse commonly causes premature clutch troubles. For instance, "riding the clutch"



Figure 4-10.- Master cylinder, slave cylinder, and connections for a typical hydraulic clutch.

(overslipping clutch upon acceleration), resting your foot on the clutch pedal while driving, and other driving errors can cause early clutch failure.

When a vehicle enters the shop for clutch troubles, you should test-drive the vehicle. While the vehicle is being test-driven, you should check the action of the clutch pedal, listen for unusual noises, and feel for clutch pedal vibrations. Gather as much information as you can on the operation of the clutch. Use this information, your knowledge of clutch principles, and a service manual-troubleshooting chart to determine which components are faulty.

There are five types of clutch problems- slipping, grabbing, dragging, abnormal noises, and vibration. It is important to know the symptoms produced by these problems and the parts that might be the cause.

Slipping
Slipping occurs when the driven disc fails to rotate at the same speed as the driving members when the clutch is fully engaged. This condition results whenever the clutch pressure plate fails to hold the disc tight against the face of the flywheel. If clutch slippage is severe, the engine speed will rise rapidly on acceleration, while the vehicle gradually increases in speed. Slight but continuous slippage may go unnoticed until the clutch facings are ruined by excessive temperature caused by friction.

Normal wear of the clutch lining causes the free travel of the clutch linkage to decrease, creating the need for adjustment. Improper clutch adjustment can cause slippage by keeping the release bearing in contact with the pressure plate in the released position. Even with your foot off the pedal, the release mechanism will act on the clutch fork and release bearing.

Some clutch linkages are designed to allow only enough adjustment to compensate for the lining to wear close to the rivet heads. This prevents damage to the flywheel and pressure plate by the rivets wearing grooves in their smooth surfaces.

Other linkages will allow for adjustment after the disc is worn out. When in doubt whether the disc is worn excessively, remove the inspection cover on the clutch housing and visually inspect the disc.

Binding linkage prevents the pressure plate from exerting its full pressure against the disc, allowing it to slip. Inspect the release mechanism for rusted, bent, misaligned, sticking, or damaged components. Wiggle the release fork to check for free play. These problems result in slippage.

A broken motor mount (engine mount) can cause clutch slippage by allowing the engine to move, binding the clutch linkage. Under load, the engine can lift up in the engine compartment, shifting the clutch linkage and pushing on the release fork.

Grease and oil on the disc will also cause slippage. When this occurs, locate and stop any leakage, thoroughly clean the clutch components, and replace the clutch disc. This is the only remedy.

If clutch slippage is NOT caused by a problem with the clutch release mechanism, then the trouble is normally inside the clutch. You have to remove the transmission and clutch components for further inspection. Internal clutch problems, such as weak springs and bent or improperly adjusted release levers, will prevent the pressure plate from applying even pressure. This condition allows the disc to slip.

To test the clutch for slippage, set the emergency brake and start the engine. Place the transmission or transaxle in high gear. Then try to drive the vehicle forward by slowly releasing the clutch pedal. A clutch in good condition should lock up and immediately kill the engine. A badly slipping clutch may allow the engine to run, even with the clutch pedal fully released. Partial clutch slippage could let the engine run momentarily before stalling.

NOTE
Never let a clutch slip for more than a second or two. The extreme heat generated by slippage will damage the flywheel and pressure plate faces.

Grabbing
A grabbing or chattering clutch will produce a very severe vibration or jerking motion when the vehicle is accelerated from a standstill. Even when the operator slowly releases the clutch pedal, it will seem like the clutch pedal is being pumped rapidly up and down. A loud bang or chattering may be heard, as the vehicle body vibrates.

Clutch grabbing and chatter is caused by problems with components inside the clutch housing (friction disc, flywheel, or pressure plate). Other reasons for a grabbing clutch could be due to oil or grease on the disc facings, glazing, or loose disc facings. Broken parts in the clutch, such as broken disc facings, broken facing springs, or a broken pressure plate, will also cause grabbing.

There are several things outside of the clutch that will cause a clutch to grab or chatter when it is being engaged. Loose spring shackles or U-bolts, loose transmission mounts, and worn engine mounts are among the items to be checked. If the clutch linkage binds, it may release suddenly to throw the clutch into quick engagement, resulting in a heavy jerk. However, if all these items are checked and found to be in good condition, the trouble is inside the clutch itself and will have to be removed for repair.

Dragging
A dragging clutch will make the transmission or transaxle grind when trying to engage or shift gears. This condition results when the clutch disc does not completely disengage from the flywheel or pressure plate when the clutch pedal is depressed. As a result, the clutch disc tends to continue turning with the engine and attempts to drive the transmission.

The most common cause of a dragging clutch is too much clutch pedal free travel. With excessive free travel, the pressure plate will not fully release when the clutch pedal is pushed to the floor. Always check the clutch adjustments first. If adjustment of the linkage does not correct the trouble, the problem is in the clutch, which must be removed for repair.

On the inside of the clutch housing, you will generally find a warped disc or pressure plate, oil or grease on the friction surface, rusted or damaged transmission input shaft, or improper adjustment of the pressure plate release levers causing the problem.

Abnormal Noises
Faulty clutch parts can make various noises. When an operator reports that a clutch is making noise, find out when the noise is heard. Does the sound occur when the pedal is moved, when in neutral, when in gear, or when the pedal is held to the floor? This will assist you in determining which parts are producing these noises.

An operator reports hearing a scraping, clunking, or squeaking sound when the clutch pedal is moved up or down. This is a good sign of a worn or unlubricated clutch release mechanism. With the engine off, pump the pedal and listen for the sound. Once the source of the sound is located, you should clean, lubricate, or replace the parts as required.

Sounds produced from the clutch, when the clutch is initially ENGAGED, are generally due to friction disc problems, such as a worn clutch disc facing, which causes a metal-to-metal grinding sound. A rattling or a knocking sound may be produced by weak or broken clutch disc torsion springs. These sounds indicate problems that require the removal of the transmission and clutch assembly for repair.

If clutch noises are noticeable when the clutch is DISENGAGED, the trouble is most likely the clutch release bearing. The bearing is probably either worn, binding, or, in some cases, loses its lubricant. Most clutch release bearings are factory lubricated; however, on some larger trucks and construction equipment, the bearing requires periodic lubrication. A worn pilot bearing may also produce noises when the clutch is disengaged. The worn pilot bearing can let the transmission input shaft and clutch disc vibrate up and down, causing an unusual noise.

Sounds heard in NEUTRAL, that disappear when the clutch pedal is pushed, are caused by problems inside the transmission. Many of these sounds are due to worn bearings. However, always refer to the troubleshooting chart in the manufacturer's manual.

Pedal Pulsation
A pulsating clutch pedal is caused by the runout (wobble or vibration) of one of the rotating members of the clutch assembly. A series of slight movements can be felt on the clutch pedal. These pulsations are noticeable when light foot pressure is applied. This is an indication of trouble that could result in serious damage if not corrected immediately. There are several conditions that can cause these pulsations. One possible cause is misalignment of the transmission and engine.

If the transmission and engine are not in line, detach the transmission and remove the clutch assembly. Check the clutch housing alignment with the engine and crankshaft. At the same time, the flywheel can be checked for runout, since a bent flywheel or crankshaft flange will produce clutch pedal pulsation. If the flywheel does not seat on the crankshaft flange, remove the flywheel. After cleaning the crankshaft flange and flywheel, replace the flywheel, making sure a positive seat is obtained between the flywheel and the flange. If the flange is bent, the crankshaft must be replaced.

Other causes of clutch pedal pulsation include bent or maladjusted pressure plate release levers, warped pressure plate, or warped clutch disc. If either the clutch disc or pressure plate is warped, they must be replaced.
 
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