Turbo? Or N/A?


haha im an alright driver.. had a word with my mechanic and dad

i think im gonna go with the b20 build and later on go with a thicker head gasket and turbo it

what do you guys think?
 
Why ask about two options then go and decide on something totaly different.

If you want to be keeping up with the likes of evo's then the b20 you build would have to be a full built high comp build. Then if its still not enough i dont think you could just fit a thicker head gasket and bang a turbo on it, you would have to change the bottom end to suit.

You could just build a b16 turbo and have 300hp+ and be done. Saves doing two builds.

Trying to keep up with a 340hp evo is far from suicide as the majority of people who buy them do so because they cant drive for ****. I have outrun plenty evo 8,9+10's on my local mountain road all down to the fact i know the road+my car and they'r just guys with plenty of cash who like cars.

Not saying in any way a civic is faster than an evo but its down to the road your on and the drivers either.

If its just straight line overtaking your after just go with the turbo option it a no brainer really. Or get a b18 bottom then turbo for even better.

But again dont forget the bigger brakes! LOL best bit of advice on this thread.
 
Trying to keep up with a 340hp evo is far from suicide as the majority of people who buy them do so because they cant drive for ****. I have outrun plenty evo 8,9+10's on my local mountain road all down to the fact i know the road+my car and they'r just guys with plenty of cash who like cars.

It does all depends on road and driver. Civics and Evo's are both very capable on mountain and country roads but same driver same road i think you can push an evo that little bit harder...Although the civic will be more fun!
 
i own a evo9 fq-340 and unless u have got very deep pockets lol i doubt without spending a lot of money u will be able to beat ur dads evo9.

I raced a k20'd ej a while back and bare in mind my evo has not been mapped and only has a few sublt mods, exhaust, dump valve, and air filter and i still annialated it.

i am not saying its impossible because its not with a lot of spending u could beat ur dad in his evo
 
As i said its all down to driver's and the road your on.

If your dad can drive or your on the motorway your FFKD.
 
turbo b series costs mega money to do right. I know more than most lol.

As much as its super quick and keeps big powered Evo's at bay - its difficult to say whether its worth it or not.

The amount of parts you need to upgrade and stuff is ridiculous. So many little things that come into account (gearbox, clutch, oil cooler, breather kits, radiators, custom exhausts and intake pipes etc etc etc)
 
turbo b series costs mega money to do right. I know more than most lol.

As much as its super quick and keeps big powered Evo's at bay - its difficult to say whether its worth it or not.

The amount of parts you need to upgrade and stuff is ridiculous. So many little things that come into account (gearbox, clutch, oil cooler, breather kits, radiators, custom exhausts and intake pipes etc etc etc)

Regardless of turbon or N/A if your wanting to achiev enough power to keep up with a 340hp evo then the majority of that will be needed with either build.

Plus you will never get the power of turbo from N/A unless you went down the route of k20/k24 + tuning.
 
i was asking about the build not about my driving skills

for and 18year old with a bog standard b16a you wouldnt beleive the amount of cars ive had on and off the track

i asked about my build not driving skills
 
With turbo power, the price is loads more expensive to get the stuff that withstands the power and lasts/is reliable. Not your usual £300 clutch and flywheel kits, but £1000 stuff. Like said, trust me, i know more than most the costs and pros/cons of going turbo b-series.

You're not gonna get N/A to keep up with 340hp Evo, so theres no point in trying to compare.
 
finally someone who actually helps me and gives me a straight forward answer...cheers mate
 
Basically...forget keeping up with an evo....Is it just going to be used as a road toy? How much are you budgeting for? You need to tell us these things before you'll get good advice.

18 is young to be driving about in a 300hp civic. No??

If i was doing a swap it would either be a :
B18 swap....around 205bhp and 135ftlb of torque
B20 build....Vary hugely but could be looking at 245bhp and 180ftlb of torque. (would cost an insane amount of money to get these figures)


But all that depends on who map and who build the engine. And how minted you are.

Have a read around the forum :nice: Should help you make up your mind
 
You cant get a straight answer as you havent stated what you want from your car or what you will be using it for??

N/A and Turbo Pros/cons have been covered tons of times. The search fuction is there for a reason.

One persons bad experience of their turbo build costing them a ton his hardly something to go by as there are plenty of examples of them being cheap in comparison to a worth while N/A build.
 
b20 turbo would be nice, and if done right, may put up a fight. Its going to cost money to get there tho. Doable yes, practical no.
 
yeah forget the evo...yeah it will be mainly i road toy

i want to get the most of a build that i can basically because in future it will be a track car.
i havent really thought about budget but im guessin around £2000- £3000
and that would be covering most of the engine.
i mean what sort of power am i talking if i spent £2000-£3000???

building my engine will be a performance garage based in loughbourough and mapping would be Garage 786(YASIR) who has the record for fastest B-series
 
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For £2k-£3k you can forget the turbo idea. You'll need 3 times that to do a half decent turbo build with reliability factored in.

B18 with breathing mods and a decent remap will be achievable for the £3k. Once you take Into account suspension and brake upgrades, you've not got much left. Would see you around 210hp and 135lb/ft

Strip the car out to nothing will give you a quicker car also.
 
For £2k-£3k you can forget the turbo idea. You'll need 3 times that to do a half decent turbo build with reliability factored in.

B18 with breathing mods and a decent remap will be achievable for the £3k. Once you take Into account suspension and brake upgrades, you've not got much left. Would see you around 210hp and 135lb/ft

Strip the car out to nothing will give you a quicker car also.

Pure balls.

You could build a mild 250hp turbo B16 or b18 with £3k. Only if you wanted big power is were it starts realy costing, as you should see those types of figures on standard internals and a "good" map. Get a small ish turbo and dont go mad with boost. Yea you may have to buy a few things 2nd hand here and there but hey it can be done.

I dont think you could get anywhere near the same power N/A.

Personaly for a daily and future track toy i would stick with the b20 option. Alot better power band, more torque and more scope for powre increase if you want to tune in the future.
 
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yeah forget the evo...yeah it will be mainly i road toy

i want to get the most of a build that i can basically because in future it will be a track car.
i havent really thought about budget but im guessin around £2000- £3000
and that would be covering most of the engine.
i mean what sort of power am i talking if i spent £2000-£3000???

building my engine will be a performance garage based in loughbourough and mapping would be Garage 786(YASIR) who has the record for fastest B-series

no offence dude but don't you think one of the best people to ask would be the guys building your engine.....
i mean its all well and good us telling to go for B20 or B18 turbo but the fact is, if your engine builder has built 100's of b18's and has 1000's of hours worth of research and devlopment for b18's but has never built a B20 then get him to build you a b18...
what i mean is, the best thing to do would be to speak to the guys building the engine as i am sure they will able to tell you what you need for your power goals... i am sure yasir will have some good info for you on what he likes to map etc. as these guys are professionals in what they do.... or better than professional ( yasir ) lol

i mean of course listen to the guys above as alot are speaking from personal experience, but they aren't building YOUR engine....
 
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no offence dude but don't you think one of the best people to ask would be the guys building your engine.....
i mean its all well and good us telling to go for B20 or B18 turbo but the fact is, if your engine builder has built 100's of b18's and has 1000's of hours worth of research and devlopment for b18's but has never built a B20 then get him to build you a b18...
what i mean is, the best thing to do would be to speak to the guys building the engine as i am sure they will able to tell you what you need for your power goals... i am sure yasir will have some good info for you on what he likes to map etc. as these guys are professionals in what they do.... or better than professional ( yasir ) lol

i mean of course listen to the guys above as alot are speaking from personal experience, but they aren't building YOUR engine....

X2 :nice:
 
lol some how i thought you'd do that kieran :)
not that your advice was bad mate..quite the contrary
 
Gets quite anoying trying to advise someone who doesnt state what theyr actualy looking for.

And most things can be done for the right money if theyr well planned and well built to what your goals are, But if we dont know the goals we could be arguing here all day long to what would or could be best lol
 
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