Spoon brake upgrade worth it?

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  1. Simo

    Simo New Member

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    Guys just looking for some opinions if anyone can shed any light on the topic it'd be much appreciated. Just wondering if spoon twinblocks are worth buying really..? I have recently upgraded from standard ek4 fronts to accord type r twinpots and 282mm ebc discs. The braking is excellent but the excess weight is really noticeable and took a bit more than I expected away from the accelaration.. I know the twinblocks are about half the weight of dc2/ek9 single pots right? Can anyone who has gone through with the same upgrade let me know if the twinblocks are worth it.? Bit hard to justify €1000 for them at the moment
     
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    Unless your brakes are sticking i dont see how the atr twinpots are affecting acceleration. Seems a waste to be using them on 282 discs when they are meant for 300mm. Spoon twinblocks are good but there are cheaper alternatives that avoid the scene tax.
     
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    I assumed it was down to the heavier weight of the atr calipers and bigger discs compared to the ek4 standard calipers and discs. Very noticeable powerloss. Thats originally what I had in mind but was told by the shop I ordered them from that 282mm would be plenty..tbh not sure if 300mm would fit with my 16" wheels. What do you mean by scene tax?
     
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    Ive the atr brakes and 300mm discs under 16" wheels with no problems of clearance. The spoon callipars are very expensive for twinpots, plenty of companies can provide similar callipars. Willwood brembo etc..
     
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    Im surprised you can feel afew kg(max) of weight on the axle tbh. Didnt change wheels or anything at the same time?

    I use wilwood calipers on 310mm discs. Minor weight saving over ek9 calipers and 282mm discs but much better stopping power
     
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    ATR setup with 300mm discs under 16" wheels here too. Lovely setup for the money. If I ever upgrade in the future I won't be buying spoon ones as they're so damn expensive new, in my opinion there's better brakes out there for the same money.
     
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    Lets say the spoon were the same price as the others, which would you choose then!
     
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    Good question!

    It would be down to weight, pad contact area and pad availability then, see which is the best caliper etc.

    I love the spoon monoblocks and could run them with my 300mm discs, I also like how they take a stock Honda pad....its just the price Lol!
     
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    Just what i was expecting! Couldnt agree more mate, plus mono over twins all day.
     
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    I have direct experience with most makes of brake caliper including AP, brembo, Alcon, hi spec, wilwood and spoon. I put spoon twin pots on my own Integra resto build. I have a mix of AP and brembo on my race car and have dealt with all the othe manufturees on various rally car builds down through the years.

    I only say all this to show back ground, not show off.

    As with everything it all comes down to application, if you spend most of the time on the road, stick to a Honda/modified mix, if you added 300mm grooved discs and soft compound pads to that twin pot set up you will have serious brakes for the road.

    From my own experience the price for spoon caliper vs performance given, quality of build and materials they are actually cheap! You have a properly stiff caliper body that just bolts directly on with no need to change master cylinder. Win win. The spoon caliper is as good as some of the big name motorsport companies.

    As for wilwood, in my years of working on rally cars I've taken 4 sets off cars and fired into bin. Yes they are cheap but the budget caliper is cheap for a reason, best stick with a good honda set up
     
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    Agree with Eoghain here

    I really don't think you needed atr front calipers with 282 discs..The real advantage with them is the use of the 300x28mm discs to allow better heat dissipation
    With a good pad setup they are great. Arguably the best Oem Honda setup for a b series chassis running more power than stock. low cost, great performance outweighs the negatives (difference in weight compared to Spoon, ap racing etc)
    For the road I would of just run oem 282 dc2/ek9 calipers with a good pad especially if you're running near stock power. No need for bigger brakes unless you're running alot more power and frequent track work
     
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    That's the main reason I went for the ATR setup, the fact the disc is so much thicker to get rid of heat. I love how they feel and mixed with CL RC6 pads and Motul fluid I haven't had a problem yet, even with 500+bhp on track.

    I'd love spoon monoblocks it's just an expensive do as the calipers are 1k+ then you need discs and pads.
     
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  13. Simo

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    Thanks for the information guys. Guess I should've went with 300mm over the 282 that were recommended.. are there any 300mm discs that suit 4x100 hub pattern? I've decided to stick to this setup for now as they do work great to be fair!
     
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    I think there is an mg disc which is 4 stud close to that dimension, others might be able to confirm that!
     

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