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To start I will say I found this over on the DC2 forum but its really good information. And I dont think I have seen it covered on here before.
I am about to rebush my EG6 so thought I would do some research first.
Here is a great explanation to why it is best to stay with the OEM rubber Rear trailing arm bush.
"The rear suspension on the DC2 (and a lot of other Honda's) is quite special.
The trailing arm bush is designed so the wheel can move backward or forward - that's why there's so much play in it.
The trailing arm is controlled by 3 arms. Simplifying slightly:
The lower control arm takes the main side loads.
The upper control arm controls camber.
The front control arm controls toe.
The special bit comes in when you brake. When you're braking, the tyre as it grips wants to move slower than the car currently is. That pulls the wheel backwards compared to the car.
Now, the trailing arm bush is specifically designed to allow the wheel to move back like this under braking. You're probably thinking that's useless and bonkers. Not so. Look at the lower control arm, and the front control arm. When the trailing arm moves back, it's held by both of those arms which limit where it can move. The front control arm is a lot shorter than the lower control arm. So when the trailing arm moves backward under the braking load, the front arm will angle more than the lower arm simply because it's shorter. That means the front of the trailing arm has to move inwards. Adding toe in.
To put it simpler, the trailing arm bush is designed to be soft so that the arm moves back under braking, causing the front control arm to pull the front of the trailing arm in, adding toe in, stabalising the back end under braking.
Even more clever is the way the amount of toe it added is purely related to how far back the wheel is pulled, which is related to how hard you're breaking and how much grip that wheel has. So if one wheel loses grip compared to the other, the toe of the two wheels will differ, helping stabalise the rear end. Really cool, and clever.
Honda has several patents on it.
If you put a much harder bushing in place of the standard trailing arm bush, you stop the backward movement under braking which stops the toe change under braking.""
For those who understand suspention movements and geometry will see the value in this description.
Integra DC2 • Login
Plenty more pages of discussion on the thread.
I am about to rebush my EG6 so thought I would do some research first.
Here is a great explanation to why it is best to stay with the OEM rubber Rear trailing arm bush.
"The rear suspension on the DC2 (and a lot of other Honda's) is quite special.
The trailing arm bush is designed so the wheel can move backward or forward - that's why there's so much play in it.
The trailing arm is controlled by 3 arms. Simplifying slightly:
The lower control arm takes the main side loads.
The upper control arm controls camber.
The front control arm controls toe.
The special bit comes in when you brake. When you're braking, the tyre as it grips wants to move slower than the car currently is. That pulls the wheel backwards compared to the car.
Now, the trailing arm bush is specifically designed to allow the wheel to move back like this under braking. You're probably thinking that's useless and bonkers. Not so. Look at the lower control arm, and the front control arm. When the trailing arm moves back, it's held by both of those arms which limit where it can move. The front control arm is a lot shorter than the lower control arm. So when the trailing arm moves backward under the braking load, the front arm will angle more than the lower arm simply because it's shorter. That means the front of the trailing arm has to move inwards. Adding toe in.
To put it simpler, the trailing arm bush is designed to be soft so that the arm moves back under braking, causing the front control arm to pull the front of the trailing arm in, adding toe in, stabalising the back end under braking.
Even more clever is the way the amount of toe it added is purely related to how far back the wheel is pulled, which is related to how hard you're breaking and how much grip that wheel has. So if one wheel loses grip compared to the other, the toe of the two wheels will differ, helping stabalise the rear end. Really cool, and clever.
Honda has several patents on it.
If you put a much harder bushing in place of the standard trailing arm bush, you stop the backward movement under braking which stops the toe change under braking.""
For those who understand suspention movements and geometry will see the value in this description.
Integra DC2 • Login
Plenty more pages of discussion on the thread.