Prices of Superchargers, Turbos and K20's

[Eck]

Its not an outlandish claim tbh. Im saying turbo is better because i have a turbo

That's about the size of it really! The turbo is clearly better for what you want, but it's not the be all and end all

 

[V-TEC ABUSER]

This.

£3k wont get you a decent FI setup that'll last

and like Murray says, you'll need to consider improving brakes, suspension etc etc

^^^^^
couldnt agree more.
people think there cheap, generally there not. mines costing me a bloody fortune, wouldn't change it tho.
diff will help with the wheelspin, but just learn to feather the right pedel instead of just standing on it.

E2-SAW: i had a simular experiance with a bmw M3 driver the other day on track. all over him in the corners and on the straight he had to pull over to let me past. HA i bet he was pissed lol.

 

[JDP]

I asked Lou @ TDI what he thought of the race tech kit and he said they wouldn't touch it with a very long barge pole.

TDi are shite at tuning hondas imo!!!! Ive heard more than a few stories about their RR setups, peopel so impressed with them that they never take their cars their again and go to CPL instead!!! Race-Techs kits are excelent value for money for what you are supplied with and as someoen already said, its a good streetable setup with warranty

Any FI setup doesnt come cheap, but you do get more bang for your buck over NA. i find my FI setup harder to drive on track than i did when it was as honda intended, but then you are going a boat load faster so it doesnt feel as smooth or maybe im just **** lol

 

[E2-SAW]

That's about the size of it really! The turbo is clearly better for what you want, but it's not the be all and end all

Its more the bit after me saying i have a turbo that was the reasoning.

Never said it was the be all and end all either, just said it was better

 

[JDP]

Turbos also cool for flames, and everyone loves a good flame

 

[lance]

talk to ricky at race-tech, his full kit and installing + mapping and everything should be within your budget. very good mapper and has made quite alot of reliable turbo honds around. id pick turbo for the money involved, i asked the same question myself too. and im planning on going down the turbo route

 

[RagingAngel]

It's quite a simple concept really. Turbo's make far more torque lower down the rev range, whereas the Supercharger keeps the power up in Vtec so it is less likely to give you wheelspin out of a corner with a big dollop of torque. A diff will make a difference though.

Neither can have more wheelspin? Are you kidding? It's quite simple. Like for like, a Turbocharged car will have more torque, and it'll be far lower down the rev range, so more likely to break traction than Supercharged car. Yes, your right foot will make a difference, but if both are driven by a ham fisted driver the former will be more likely to spin than the latter.

How is it that you figure that a turbo makes more torque lower in the rev range than an SC. If anything most (not ALL) turbo setups have an exponential power curve on a Honda. Meaning it looks like a scaled up version of its NA self. It is more likely to break traction AT vtec when the turbo has finally reached full spool. It's true that you can force a powercurve on a Turbo Honda to have more torque down low if you use a smaller turbo but that will just end up killing the top end.

I agree. If that's the sole reason then a serious rethink is needed. But, truth be told; there really isn't a BAD kind of forced induction! Just depends on your driving style and what you prefer. I'm a rev hungry **** so my Supercharger does me well

If you're really rev hungry and want big power up top, then Turbo is the way to go...the only exception to this case is with the Vortech and the Rotrex systems which have yet to be ready for public consumption on the B.

Spec the turbo to what power you want. My car can be used for the daily commute or get thrown around the track with minimal fuss. It still has all the creature comforts too.
Im lucky enough now that i can afford another car to do the commuting.


3k would have you a nice lowblow setup that would trounce b18s. Remember though your budget should include brakes, suspension, drivetrain, cooling. Supercharger or turbo.

Excellent points made.

Whether you choose turbo or SC, you have to first determine what kind of powerband you're expecting. Then size up the compressor/charger to suit.

 

[Scottek]

TDi are shite at tuning hondas imo!!!! Ive heard more than a few stories about their RR setups, peopel so impressed with them that they never take their cars their again and go to CPL instead!!

Unsure what that's got to do with the prices of turbos/superchargers? But thanks for that

As I said, they did not make any comment about race tech turbo kits, that was my mistake. So, stick your dummy back in

 

[JDP]

Its my dummy and ill wave it if i want too

 

[689R]

Tuning bashing is bullshit without any evidence to back it up.

 

[ramboteamjon]

Its not an outlandish claim tbh. Im saying turbo is better because i have a turbo, and the turbo benefits outweighed the supercharged benefits for when you reached powers like 350hp + (currently running mine the now at 420hp on 0.8bar, so im running similair boost pressure to your charger, but 150hp better off for it)

But iv spent ridiculous money on mine, having rebuilt it completely since buying it and upgrading it more.

never mind beating a new Focus RS. Brand new M3 convertible was my last skelp. He was bound to be back in the showroom the following morning asking why his £65k 440hp motor got embarassed by a dirty old EK Civic. Boy never stopped for a natter or anything afterwards.


Whats your budget for going FI mate? I dont see the benefits just for wheelspins......that just breaks things faster

Class, I would love to crack a wee smile and skelp a new M3 or a focus RS (hate the folk that drive these as they think they own the place!!)

 

[ramboteamjon]

on another note TDi wrecked my mates turbo TEG, it blew up 3 weeks after the map. it had been run for 6months fine before it. So alot of contrasting stories about.

 

[Lou@TDI-North]

I've started a turbo build and I'm nearly done collecting parts. With all the parts, fitting and tuning it's costing me £2850 - £3100.

I asked Lou @ TDI what he thought of the race tech kit and he said they wouldn't touch it with a very long barge pole.

Just want to point out that you showed me pics of ebay parts, not a Race-Tech kit

i spoke to a chap at tdi north at a rolling road day couple of weeks ago a young ish lad bout the race tech kit and he said they are alright a few years ago when ricky started couple of mani's cracked but he sorted it now also he said they are a good weld so think they cant be that bad they probs said it so you would take your bisness their

That's more in line with what I always tell people, and for the record up until this past week, we have never offered any turbo conversion work to owners of pre - 2000 Honda owners, we recieve countless enquiries with regards to turbo work on B and D series cars, even the EP2's and they have pretty much all been directed towards Race-Tech.

With regards to TDI-North tuning, January 2010 saw the company change hands and along with that came a new tuner - Paul West.

Since Paul has been running the Dyno, we have secured tuning work for both Honda UK and Mugen Europe, Time Attack champ Sean O'Niel, the Buddyclub DC5, the UK's fastest FWD Adam Buckley (on par with CPl @ 9.7 secs), Europes fastest and quickest Supercharged Honda - Dougie Gemmel plus a fair handfull of the UK FWD Outlaw race competetors, B, D and K series cars.

Paul also takes care of the FN2 Turbo and supercharger development programmes, along with Rotrex Ariel atoms, K20 converted Lotus exige/elises, variuos K20 powered race cars for Rally, Britcar, grass track etc and I would have to estimate around 200+ other Honda's per year both for everyday and race use all across the UK, Scotland, Ireland, Cypress, Netherlands and also a couple in South Africa

With regards to 'my mate had is car mapped then it blew up' comments, I'd sure like to see the evidence that shows it was down to poor tuning. It may well have suffered engine damage but how the hell can you blame that on the tuner when there could have been countless reasons for something to have gone wrong?

At least 70% of pre-2000 Honda's that turn up for a dyno tune are bugged with issues before we even get started, everything from low engine oil, poor wiring, bodged install of parts, cheap parts, copy parts, oil leaks, faulty sensors, faulty ECU's, etc etc etc Any one of those problems could lead to potential engine damage, but guess what? All of that seems to go largley ignored and instead, the 'oh well it must have been the tune' mentality seems to remain.

I know that all sounds negative but im afraid that is what we are seeing with alot of the pre 2000 cars and the owners.

It's a real shame that in this industry we can be plagued with comments like that on a public forum, hopefully Scott can give his own comments on the work that was carried out over the past week and on how the car is running, and if he wishes also give a break down of the costs involved. Hope you're still smiling Scott!

Sorry for the thread jack, I felt like i needed to throw my 2p's worth in there

Lou

 

[Scottek]

Yeh I did correct the race tech comment a few posts above yours Lou as I checked the email I sent you and I did not link you the race tech kit. Just a mix up, my bad.

I was more than happy with TDi in every aspect. The fab work is spot on and the cars running amazing. And it ran perfect after it was mapped as an N/A a while ago. Cannot fault TDi norths work/tuning atall and on top of that they are massively helpful if you have an issue.

 

[Topher-EK9]

Sorry to bring this up again

Traction is brilliant too. It'll only wheelspin with first gear tomfoolery. Can pin it coming out of nigh on every corner in second without traction issues. No diff either

You should be controlling the wheelspin! regardless of turbo or S/C ... its called driving

One of the first things i learnt about car's was that turbo's have to Spool to boost and superchargers are instant boost.
Correct me if i am wrong but a supercharger is designed to give instant LOW RPM tourque ( not good for wheelspin ) , it can do this as anytime the engine is running so is the supercharger, so it is actually making boost at idle..

basically mate a supercharger is going to be easier to wheelspin and i briefly explained this above, but your explanation of wheelspin has nothing to back it up, i thought i would give the OP some actual information .. raging angle also explains this...

I think I would prefer a supercharger as its less maintanence and less wheelspin as I hear a turbo doesn't put the power down as well as it could

*Above* it won't give less wheelspin ..

you mention that you heard turbo's don't put the power down as well as they could.

Where did you "hear" this ??

I have repeated this over and over in my head and i just can't figure out for the life of me what you mean ?? You are talking about an Inanimate object that has no control over its own actions.. ?? It is only controlled by its user, so to say " as well as it could " makes out it didn't put in enough effort ..

" ah yeah i lost that race cause my turbo is having a bad day, he's been a bit lazy recently "
you control it. it does not have a MIND of its own...

i don't intend to make enemies i just hate to see mis-information spread about on a public forum.
any update of what you think you will go for ?

 

[Tom19]

I understand this now topher, that's why I asked the question so people could explain the differences and benefits etc, decided to sell my 9 and build one from scratch, probably a b18 turbo, this will be when I'm back from travelling

 

[Topher-EK9]

Sounds cool mate. Are you going for an EK9 to build up or save some pennies and put it toward the engine and build a cheaper Ej9 ??

 

[Tom19]

Ek9, phoenix yellow b18, turbo won't come till I've saved enough pennies as a b18, respray and interior bits will cost enough

 

[Topher-EK9]

Sweeeeeet... looking forward to that.