FreakyParts 4 pot brake conversions


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Hi Guys

I'm a new trader on here but established on itr-dc2.com, ftooc.org, celica-club.co.uk and evo123.net

I've built several big brake kits for the above cars using 4 pot Wilwood calipers, either standard or larger diameter disks an uprated pads.

The current development kit is for a DC2 owner using Wilwood 4 pot Superlite calipers and 298.5x32mm 2 piece rotors.

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We've also recently put together a kit which uses Wilwood 4 pot Midilite calipers and standard 282x23mm DC2 disks as a kit to bolt onto your existing disks but giving you the extra performance of 4 piston calipers.

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After being pointed over to the EK9 forum, I thought you guys may be interested in these sorts of products.

All products are designed by my in-house engineers using high quality materials and who have a combined experience of over 40 years in the precision engineering field and have produced many performance brake kits for me over the last 8 years.

Prices start from around £500 and go up, with heavy duty track setups starting around £700. If you're interested, I can offer discounts for both group buys and sponsorship deals.

My website is www.freakyparts.co.uk and that has a selection of the products I sell, but if there's a specific setup you require, please ask.
 
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Maybe im, being silly but cant find prices or what im looking for.

Can i have a price for the Willwood 4 pot callipers to suit OEM discs for DC2/EK9 assuming they are the exact same fitment for both cars.

Thanks
 
EK9dan said:
Maybe im, being silly but cant find prices or what im looking for.

Can i have a price for the Willwood 4 pot callipers to suit OEM discs for DC2/EK9 assuming they are the exact same fitment for both cars.

Thanks
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Hi mate, I've been looking for a 4 Pot Calipers to use with 282mm discs on my EK4 Civic but I'd need to source discs elsewhere as I'd need MG ZR fitment discs (4x100)

How much would you charge for just the Wilwood Midlite calipers and brakets to suit a 282mm setup?

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It's probably because they're not on the site yet :) I should be able to get the products up on there later this evening or tomorrow.

In the meantime... From what I can work out, the DC2 uses a 282x23mm disk with 47mm offset (face of hub to back of disk) the EK9 uses a 280x24mm disk with 47mm offset, so the bracket may need a slight re-design to take into account the 0.5mm difference in the centre point of the caliper, and the 1mm radius on the disk, but that's easily done as they're all produced to order rather than all being made and sat on a shelf.

The 4 pot kit I did which uses the existing disks on the DC2 for a 1 off price came in at £559.00 plus shipping.
This consists of a pair of Midilite 4 piston calipers, fast road pads and custom fabricated brackets.
If there was a quantity order, the price would come down to £519.00 plus shipping.

If you're running slightly larger wheels (offset or diameter) you may have the option to go for a larger kit which uses the Superlite calipers. This also includes upgraded Brembo 300mm and includes fast road pads and the custom brackets, fixings and longer front braided hoses.
A one off price for this setup would be £669.00 plus shipping
If there was a quantity order, the price would come down to £619.00 plus shipping.

For an ultimate setup, which does fit behind some 15" wheels, I do a Superlite caliper setup with 298.5x32mm 2 piece disk (as pictured above).
This kit is fantastic for trackdays and sprints as it uses a 32mm thick disk to allow for greater heat disipation meaning you can run faster for longer without cooking the brakes.
This sort of setup would come in at £849.00 plus delivery, and if there was a quantity order, this would come down to £769.00.
 
dozzy1989 said:
Hi mate, I've been looking for a 4 Pot Calipers to use with 282mm discs on my EK4 Civic but I'd need to source discs elsewhere as I'd need MG ZR fitment discs (4x100)

How much would you charge for just the Wilwood Midlite calipers and brakets to suit a 282mm setup?

:)
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It looks like the ZR disk is slightly different to the DC2 one, in that it's 45mm instead of 47mm offset and 25mm thick instead of 23mm, so the 2 options would be to see if we can redrill the 4x4100 to a 4x114.3 or modify the bracket. If it's just the disks, it's not a lot to have them redrilled, there's plenty of space on the hat of the disk.

Prices are in the post above. If there's enough interest, the price will come down (minimum 3 sets)
 
Thanks for the rough price.

I do believe the EK9 also uses 282mm discs though....
 
If it does, even better as it means the kit we've already designed will fit, and I'll update my database of disk sizes. I will be putting the kit together with a new set of EK9 disks on the workbench to make sure it all goes together without any glitches. Just trying to find a hub to use...
 
Ahh I see.. plenty of people use DC2 calipers with ZR discs on 4x100 Civics though.. and from what I've read about the Midlites they can accept a 25mm thick disc anyway so it should be doable, even if it means spacing the disc out a tiny bit.. Surely that's less effort than redrilling discs?

To purchase a pair of Midlite 4 Pot calipers from RallyDeisgn.co.uk comes in at £279 + VAT, so £327.83 including the VAT... Do brackets and pads justify an extra £231?

I'm not trying to knock your pricing here lol, I'm genuinely interested in the cost involved in manufacturing a mounting bracket as I've been looking at a different set of calipers on another forum and if I were to buy them I would need to get the brackets made up myself!

What brand of pads do you supply?
 
FreakyParts said:
If it does, even better as it means the kit we've already designed will fit, and I'll update my database of disk sizes. I will be putting the kit together with a new set of EK9 disks on the workbench to make sure it all goes together without any glitches. Just trying to find a hub to use...
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Great, I will be touch in the near future.
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dozzy1989 said:
Ahh I see.. plenty of people use DC2 calipers with ZR discs on 4x100 Civics though.. and from what I've read about the Midlites they can accept a 25mm thick disc anyway so it should be doable, even if it means spacing the disc out a tiny bit.. Surely that's less effort than redrilling discs?
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I try not to suggest spacing the disks out as it can cause vibration similar to unbalanced wheels, and can put extra stresses on the studs.


dozzy1989 said:
To purchase a pair of Midlite 4 Pot calipers from RallyDeisgn.co.uk comes in at £279 + VAT, so £327.83 including the VAT... Do brackets and pads justify an extra £231?
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There's also the delivery charge on there to me which is built into the price, and the pads are also included in that price as well so thats another £45 plus vat so when that's taken into consideration, a pair of custom radial mount brackets with bolts and fixings for around £150 isn't too bad.

dozzy1989 said:
I'm not trying to knock your pricing here lol, I'm genuinely interested in the cost involved in manufacturing a mounting bracket as I've been looking at a different set of calipers on another forum and if I were to buy them I would need to get the brackets made up myself!
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It all depends on the type of bracket required. Lug mount calipers to fit on most cars are quite straight forward, as there pretty much a bar of metal with 4 holes in. Yes to make them fit they need the radiuses machining onto them, and very often a step to position them in the right place but can be manufactured quite reasonably.
If radial mount calipers are used, they're a little bit more involved as they're a block of ally with 4 holes in right angled positions, then you've got the radius to get correct so they fit to the hub perfectly, so generally they're more expensive as there's more labour and materials involved.

When it comes to the Honda hubs... well they're just a pain in the ass! The caliper mounts are quite close together and quite shallow meaning you cant fit something like the Dynalite lugs in there as there's not the space. You cant go further back as the disk will foul the bottom arms and you cant go further out as the kit is usually wanting a <300mm disk, so you're pretty limited. We managed to get a radial mount midilite caliper in there but the bracket was quite complex, it was the same with the Superlites as the lugs on the calipers are quite close to the lugs on the hub. But that's where the costs come in.
In comparison, a kit I do for the FTO, which uses the GTO 4 pot calipers, the brackets are less than £100 for the pair as they're very plain and easy to make.

dozzy1989 said:
What brand of pads do you supply?
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The price includes the Wilwood smart pad, but I can get pretty much most compounds for these calipers, as they're widely used in track and motorsport.
 
yeah that would be another question,

Would/do these callipers retain OE fit pads?
 
i had the wilwoods on my saxo, decent calipers but not a great choice of pads to choose from unlike hi specs.

Well not that i could find anyway.
 
EK9dan said:
yeah that would be another question,

Would/do these callipers retain OE fit pads?
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No, they have a different fitment to standard pads, but they're available in mintex, wilwoods own compounds, Ferodo ds2500 and 3000s (probably other Ferodos) EBC Red, Green (shudder) and Yellow, Carbon Lorraine... The list is longer but that's all the different ones I've been asked for so far. I think Hawk supply them in Wilwood fitments too so you've got loads to choose from depending on how deep your pockets are. I think the Carbon Lorraines for the Superlite caliper was around £200!
 
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Steve said:
i had the wilwoods on my saxo, decent calipers but not a great choice of pads to choose from unlike hi specs.

Well not that i could find anyway.
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How long ago was that and what caliper were you using? As I've not found a supplier who doesn't do them :)
 
FreakyParts said:
No, they have a different fitment to standard pads, but they're available in Montez, wilwoods own compounds, Ferodo ds2500 and 3000s (probably other Ferodos) EBC Red, Green (shudder) and Yellow, Carbon Lorraine... The list is longer but that's all the different ones I've been asked for so far. I think Hawk supply them in Wilwood fitments too so you've got loads to choose from depending on how deep your pockets are. I think the Carbon Lorraines for the Superlite caliper was around £200!
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Ahh ok, So some very decent pads there still to choose from.

But when ordering the pad how would i go about buying them. For EK9 but to suit Willwood calliper? When buying online they just state the make of car to suit so little confused.
 
EK9dan said:
Ahh ok, So some very decent pads there still to choose from.

But when ordering the pad how would i go about buying them. For EK9 but to suit Willwood calliper? When buying online they just state the make of car to suit so little confused.
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No, they wouldn't have a clue :) you'd just say it's for the Wilwood midilite or superlite caliper. Most suppliers if they're not sure will say send them over a pic of the pad, which are available from Wilwood.
Or just come back to me and I'll probably be able to get them a bit cheaper through my trade contacts :)
 
Freakyparts is sponsoring me in the nippon next year, really impressed with the fitment of this kit (that's my DC2 in the picture). Can't wait to try them out on the road :D
 
FreakyParts said:
How long ago was that and what caliper were you using? As I've not found a supplier who doesn't do them :)
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got rid of them 6month ago, had the midilite from rally design. Brackets were fabricated for 283mm discs.

Only pads i could find were

Wilwood pads - didnt have time to start trialing the compunds they make.
Mintex m1144 - now listed on rally design thanks to me ;)
the m1155 by special order
EBC pads - which i get cheap and stuck to the yellows was getting them at £54 a set at the time :D

Couldnt see the likes of pagid listed for the calipers though :(
They were still really good though with the ebc yellows in :D

Definately worth the money, i miss them. But with the EK the plan was to keep it standard.
 
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