NEW CIVIC TYPE R


Weight is a problem for EVERY car...

I mean compared to last CivicR
New one have much batter brakes so it should brake batter
Acceleration should not be problem with 100kg + as turbo produce big torque

Soory for getting me wrong i wanted to say that on turbo car is batter to have A/C,sound isolation etc... which previous TypeRs did not had
Will not make car much faster as on N/A engine on which every kilo count
Its batter to be light but i will always choose equipment if i use turbo cars you dont get much with shaving kilos only radical weight off 100kg+ will be about like 30kg on N/A car in terms of acceleration car will brake better if lighter that is always

New CivicR will sure be great car dont worry about weight will be ridiculous if Turbo car dont have A/C,sound isolation etc....
 
You've actually got more to gain with taking the weight out of the new R compared to say ek9.
Examples
Ek9
180hp 1090kg = 165hp per ton
Take 100kg weight out
180hp 990kg = 181hp per ton
So 100kg gained 16hp per ton.

New R
306hp 1350kg(guess) = 226hp per ton
Again take 100kg
306hp 1250kg = 244hp per ton
So 100kg gained 18hp per ton.

So to conclude, more powerfull cars are better effected by removing weight.
Same for light cars are more effected by adding HP....
 
Not keen on the looks and I've had plenty of turbo cars, but never found them to be as engaging to drive as N/A. That being said though, the time around the ring is a good one.
 
You've actually got more to gain with taking the weight out of the new R compared to say ek9.
Examples
Ek9
180hp 1090kg = 165hp per ton
Take 100kg weight out
180hp 990kg = 181hp per ton
So 100kg gained 16hp per ton.

New R
306hp 1350kg(guess) = 226hp per ton
Again take 100kg
306hp 1250kg = 244hp per ton
So 100kg gained 18hp per ton.

So to conclude, more powerfull cars are better effected by removing weight.
Same for light cars are more effected by adding HP....

Your calculation dont have sense as turbo cars have so many more torque to push kilos way more easy
Take for example same hp engine 2.0 turbo diesel in car of 1500kg will have enough torque for good ride while 2.0patrol engine in same car will not going good below 4000rpm
ek9 with 100kg less will make much better time than newR with 100kg less because of torque

Its the Torque not hp
Again both will brake bater with less weight
 
Ok torque per ton.
Ek9 120ftlbs(ish) 1090kg = 110ftlbs per ton
100kg less on ek9 = 121ftlbs
1 ftlbs gain

New R
300ftlbs 1350kg = 222ftlbs per ton
100kg less = 240ftlbs per ton.
18ftlbs gain.
It's even more effective

I see what your trying to say, it's harder to tell the effect of weight when the car has more torque.
But the effect is still greater the more power/torque you have.
Torque x rpm is power after all.
 
Ok torque per ton.
Ek9 120ftlbs(ish) 1090kg = 110ftlbs per ton
100kg less on ek9 =

You must drive turbo and N/A with same hp to understand what i am talking about
Best way to feel it will be to have less hp like 105 on sedan than you will see what i am talking about
 
If the turbo car and the n/a have the same peak hp at the same rpm then the torque at that rpm is the same, that's basic maths.
I understand what your saying, but we want to go fast, not pull weight.
Less weight = more fast(acceleration)
Take out the power difference.
N/a engine, turbo engine, both 200hp.
Turbo engine has 100kg more weight,
Which is fastest?
 
How fast something feels and how fast it actually is.
Another example is say ep3 vs astra gsi turbo.
Same power, astra has more torque.
Still gets beaten by ep3....

If you can explain it too me using numbers and facts I'd understand....
 
If the turbo car and the n/a have the same peak hp at the same rpm then the torque at that rpm is the same, that's basic maths.
I understand what your saying, but we want to go fast, not pull weight.
Less weight = more fast(acceleration)
Take out the power difference.
N/a engine, turbo engine, both 200hp.
Turbo engine has 100kg more weight,
Which is fastest?

Q:"If the turbo car and the n/a have the same peak hp at the same rpm then the torque at that rpm is the same, that's basic maths."
A: Math do not work here

Q:"I understand what your saying, but we want to go fast, not pull weight. Less weight = more fast(acceleration)"
A: I agree with that but you misunderstood me

Q:"Take out the power difference.N/a engine, turbo engine, both 200hp.Turbo engine has 100kg more weight,Which is fastest?
A:Which one have bater balance will win again math cant help car is car so no meter how many hp and kilos but hes overall performance
 
How fast something feels and how fast it actually is.
Another example is say ep3 vs astra gsi turbo.
Same power, astra has more torque.
Still gets beaten by ep3....

If you can explain it too me using numbers and facts I'd understand....

Same like last one
Which one have bater balance will win again math cant help car is car so no meter how many hp and kilos but hes overall performance
 
Better balance?
Weight/hp balance is what you mean? Or something else?
 
Q:"If the turbo car and the n/a have the same peak hp at the same rpm then the torque at that rpm is the same, that's basic maths."
A: Math do not work here

Q:"I understand what your saying, but we want to go fast, not pull weight. Less weight = more fast(acceleration)"
A: I agree with that but you misunderstood me

Q:"Take out the power difference.N/a engine, turbo engine, both 200hp.Turbo engine has 100kg more weight,Which is fastest?
A:Which one have bater balance will win again math cant help car is car so no meter how many hp and kilos but hes overall performance

Ermm... Cars are engineered to perform. Engineering is primarily a mathematical subject. So I don't understand how you can say that maths has no place here.
 
Ermm... Cars are engineered to perform. Engineering is primarily a mathematical subject. So I don't understand how you can say that maths has no place here.
Turbo cars and n/a cars are driven completely different so math dont have sense compering this 2
Turbo pure power n/a cornering machine
Hard to explain lets wait people who drive both to explain it maybe better than me
Weight dont effect Turbo cars as much it do on n/a
 
Turbo cars and n/a cars are driven completely different so math dont have sense compering this 2
Turbo pure power n/a cornering machine
Hard to explain lets wait people who drive both to explain it maybe better than me
Weight dont effect Turbo cars as much it do on n/a

Your talking about area under the curve aren't you? Turbo cars make more torque lower down so can pull weight better than a car with less low down torque? Is obviously a true statement, hence trucks having big torque...

Buttttt take the weight out of the turbo car and it's effected more by that change (becomes faster) more than the lower powered car would be, as my maths shows.

We are getting lost in translation I think.
 
When you look at the cars around it on that laptime table, shows just how good that car is!
Not just the civic though, seat and Renault have FWD undwr 8mins aswell.
So much for wrong wheel drive!
 
When you look at the cars around it on that laptime table, shows just how good that car is!
Not just the civic though, seat and Renault have FWD undwr 8mins aswell.
So much for wrong wheel drive!
newR is fastest production honda ever made but still i dont like it , turbo not for me
 
newR is fastest production honda ever made but still i dont like it , turbo not for me

I used to say that aswell, now look what's happened lol
Can't beat the power gains on a turbo engine. I wanted to go faster on the straights, Im now doing that.
 
I used to say that aswell, now look what's happened lol
Can't beat the power gains on a turbo engine. I wanted to go faster on the straights, Im now doing that.
For me n/a car lover honda turn back on me at least i have old ones :cool:
 
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